"This car is sweet and scary fast, and man does it handle..."
Greg up in Post Falls Idaho, I have all my finished pictures so you can replace the ones on your web site with the finished project, I am very pleased with your quality of parts, your quality of service, and the help you provided, feel free to use my name in any recomendations or customer inquiries. you guys rock! This car is sweet and scary fast, and man does it handle! (with all the right stuff and some tweeking). It has turned out way over my expectations. Please take the old pictures off and replace with these new ones. You can keep the old in a file to use as you want just like the ones you sent me when I started. Enjoy!
Post Falls, Idaho
Another Note From Greg
I was one of those people that thought I could "re invent the wheel" so to speak... Well, at least duplicate it for a cheaper price. I confess it was the fact that I figured I could save a ton of money and build just as good of a system for way less, I mean it's a small block chevy... how hard could it be?
Well here goes... After spending a lot of time rounding up what I figured would be all the parts I would need to build the radiator enclosure and the radiator, hoses, etc, etc... spending all the time figuring out how and where to place all the components, then actually going for the cut. Out comes the body saw and a lot of prayer, fabrication, frabrication, and fabrication... Go get more metal and bolts that I forgot the first time around... And finally AHHH it is finished, hooked up, and looks just as good and clean as the Renegade system. (I said looks as good).
Time for burn in... All seems to go well (I said seems), no leaks in the system we are good to go! (So I thought) After driving for a month and the summer started kicking in with temps of 75-80 degrees outside it was running a little warmer than I wanted - 220-225, so I started playing with restrictors to slow the water down to give it time to cool in this beast... Seemed to work until it hit 85-90 degrees. How hot is too hot... 240-250 degrees is! I know that because the system blew off on the freeway (Can you say big tow bill?) I can! Scott said this would happen... He was 100% right.
I gave in and bought the Renegade cooling system, He (Scott) guaranteed it would run in the 185-210 range in outside temperatures in the 100 degree plus weather... Guess what, the day I completed the car and final burping of the system our temp in Idaho reached a record for the season 103-105 degrees, depending on the source at the time. I was a bit apprehensive due to my last experience with my old system, but what better way to test it out. So I grabbed my wallet and my insurance card with the tow companies number and headed out... To make a long story longer, that day was "Fill The Boot Day" a fundraiser for muscular dystrophy. That is where they block all the intersections and ask for donations from drivers, you can imagine traffic back up... And it's over 100 degrees outside... A vaild test? Yes quite, that's what I get for taking the side street route to work...
I made it through the intersection (twice) and decided to hit the freeway. I made it to work and home again... My final verdict... The car never went over 213 degrees on our hottest day of the year.
My final cost analysis of the whole ordeal:
My system that I first built myself using all new components cost me about $1,000.00 (Not counting my time, frustration factor, or towing!).
Buying the Renegade system for $1,400.00 (approx) and so easy to install! Everything is bent, cut, and wired the way it needs to be! Perfection at the very least! Top quality everything.
I now have a car I can drive anytime, any weather (don't know about snow yet) and it runs perfectly.
I now have $2,400.00 invested in a system that would have only cost me about the $1,400.00, if I had only listened (How many times will we say this to ourselves?).
I cost myself $1,000.00 (not to mention all the downtime and frustration!).
The fool buys everything twice! Take my advice (And Scott's) buy the Renegade system in the first place!
I received nothing for this testimony and paid full price for the Renegade conversion package.
I hope I save somebody some time, money, and grief by this letter.
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"As you may recall, this particular vehicle was originally converted by..."
Thank you again for all of the help, support, and PARTS THAT WORK in completing our rebuild of this 1986 Porsche/Chevrolet 911. We could not have done it without your experts!!!
As you may recall, this particular vehicle was originally converted by "the other guy on the West Coast". When the car was brought to us, it has numerous problems which should have been avoided had the conversion been better engineered. The car ran way too hot and could not be kept cool even in normal driving. We purchased your complete radiator and cooling system kit which made HUGE difference in the running temperature of the engine. We could actually run the car long enough to find other problems with the engine.
Without going into the laundry list of problems, the engine had to be disassembled at which point we found a crack in the crankshaft. The choice of internal engine components was also somewhat "unique". High compression pistons (13:1), way too large camshaft which was too far advanced, ignition timing backed off (just so it could run), and a un-port matched manifold going into modified AIRFLOW RESEARCH 190R cylinder heads did not seem to make practical (or logical) sense. The 4 puck clutch disk and washer spaced pressure plate wanted to be in or out only. The car was not streetable at all.
The customer's objective was to have a strong, reliable, high performance engine that was very streetable and could still run on pump gas with air conditioning. We rebuilt his engine with the following items:
350 Chevy 4bolt main block with studded main caps
SCAT 4340 Forged 3.750 stroker crank for 350 mains
SCAT 4340 Forged H Beam 6 inch connecting rods
KB Hypereutectic Pistons (.040 over). Compression 9.5:1 for 6 inch con rod
Comp Cam 12-433 Hyd Roller Cam and Lifters
AIRFLOW RESEARCH 190R Aluminum Cylinder Heads with 2.080 intake valves
Weiand Stealth Dual Plane Manifold, port matched
Renegade Hybrid Heavy Duty Pressure Plate, and Kevlar Disc.
Mallory Unilite Distributor, coil and wires
Renegade Hybrid A/C Condenser with mounting bracket
The completed car is a totally different machine. The engine has smooth pulling power all the way up to 6500 RPM with no histrionics. The car is very streetable with a steady idle and mellow exhaust note. We have not yet dyno tested the car but estimate engine horsepower at about 500 with peak torque at about 575 ft-lbs. The air conditioning keeps the interior cool while the Renegade Hybrid Radiator with Dual Fans keep the engine temp in the "happy" range. All in all, a great ride!!
Thanks again for all the help. Hope to meet up with you guys at the next SEMA Show in November.
Arthur J. Kratz - Owner/Manager of Performance Engineering
"Your professionalism, patience and courtesy to answer dumb questions of mine have..."
Quick note of support. Have watched from sidelines the thread on the board over last week.
As I mentioned, I have a 928 donor and preparing for a conversion. I am going through the body now and in process of selling motor. Your professionalism, patience and courtesy to answer dumb questions of mine have made me an enthusiastic customer for the 928 conversion kit (about May). Well after this week, your professional responses and desire to take the high road has cemented my view. Your continued free advice, active participation, and humor go above and beyond the normal biz/customer relationship. Well done!
I look forward to working with you on my project. I am convinced of your resolve, commitment and willingness to stand by your products.
"I just wanted to share my experiences with my 1976 911..."
Wow - I just wanted to share my experiences with my 1976 911 (with a late model 996/Turbo/GT2 - whatever it is body kit) with a 350 here at our local downtown car show. While everyone backed into the parking spaces to show off their motor, I pulled in normally and popped the "hood." The reaction was great. I usually had a small crowd at all times. I had several people tell me a friend had called them at home and told them they "had" to come out and see my car. What a moral booster! I had one guy keep asking if I would sell it and he even came back THREE times while I was gone (looking at the other cars) to talk to my friend if I could be persuaded to sell! My hard work is paying off. I needed that!
On the way there, my friend and his daughter (some how managed to make it in the back seat, with roll bar) headed towards downtown. I met up with a nice vette (200? model) that actually declined to race. Never thought I would scare a vette owner into submission. After the show, we cruised the scenic way home and I met up with a Camero SS with hood scoops, etc. After a little antagonizing, we both turned left and he waited for me to come up about one car length behind him when he hammered it...
After "Let's get him!" rolled out of my friends mouth, and "don't go fast" rolled out of his daughter's mouth, I did what came naturally....I floored it in second gear. I have never beat a car so quick and pass him like he was sitting still with a four wheeled vehicle. (usually, I'm on my modified race Kawasaki and I'm bored even racing other motorcycles!) I am totally hooked. He didn't know what the heck flew by him. But he was anxious to get another look. Something he never got a chance to have. By far, the quickest car I have ever been in was Scott's "Peel". However, even with just a mild (350 hp) motor in a 911, it was a total rush. I am so pumped!
Now for the can of worms...I have been having problems with my stock 915 trans since I bought my "project" and I think I just finished it off. I had trouble getting into gear without grinding the gears to all heck and then really bad noises came out of it as I rolled near my garage. I had to push it the last 10 feet. Oops! Oh well. Now I have an excuse to get it built up and re-geared for that V8! Hello Scott!!!
My trans/clutch has been the thorn in my side since my car was able to roll. Once I can have a smoothe driveline, I will feel much better about the whole package. What a rocket! I will try and send some updated pics to Scott at RH in the next few days.
Just had to share / still wearing the adrenaline,
P.S. Scott: I posted the glossy RH advertising card (the bigger half-page size) on my windshield and wore my RH shirt for the show!
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"The Saker went very well in its first race at the Taupo A1 circuit..."
The Saker went very well in its first race at the Taupo A1 circuit. Alan drove well but perhaps a bit rusty, he had a couple of spins. Third fastest in class of mainly Tranzam type cars.
The tranz worked very well. The car needs more set-up time.
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"I am so pleased with everything. My only fault is, I should of..."
Here are a few pictures of my porsche. I cannot believe how great my car runs. Your kit made it so easy. I am so pleased with everything. My only fault is, I should of went with a high perfomance clutch instead of a stock one. I'll be contacting you for one when I have the money. Thanks again for all your help.
Christina and Pete H.
The rims are the reason I have no money. =)
"The Saker went very well in its first race at the Taupo A1 circuit..."
Hello Scott and All,
Just wanted to send you a photo and thank you for the excellent work. We took the car to the Porsches to Oxford event which has become the 2nd largest Porsche show in the US.
People really liked the car and it won a trophy since it scored into the top 10%.
"Went on a drive out with the local PCA club here yesterday..."
Went on a drive out with the local PCA club here yesterday. Fantastic drive; 14 cars did the 120 miles round trip up to McCloud Mountain restaurant. It’s at about 4000 feet elevation overlooking the valley and parts of Norris lake. Check out some of the pics! There’s a dining room that literally hangs out over the cliffs …
The 914 always gets a ton of attention, and yesterday was no exception. People are always fascinated by the conversions, and had lots of questions. There are always a few purists that don’t approve … but as always … eff em! Also met a few people that are planning to go to the DE events in Oct and November …..
On the way back I got into a game of “auto tag” with a newer Carrera Turbo. He seriously couldn’t keep up with me …. From 50 to 120, on the interstate he just kept falling farther behind ….
Just wanted to thank you guys again for building the two coolest Porsches in the State of TN.
"I was worried that it would take a long time to purge the air from the system..."
Thank you for your help with the installation of my new Renegade 914 radiator. I was worried that it would take a long time to purge the air from the system, but that was not the case and my temps are 20 degrees lower that my previous set up. With the lower temps it now gives me the confidence to travel in traffic on hot days. Now I know that you already knew this, but it is such a help to not have to take roads that would get me more air to the system. The fans don't use as much amperage and they come on at 180 degrees, thus keeping the system in check.
E. J. Albers
"I bought two sets of seats from you a while back..."
I bought two sets of seats from you a while back, and finally have the car together and on the road. I promised to send pix so here they are at last. Seats look and feel great. Thanks.
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Gary J Photos
"The Kevlar clutch you recommended makes a big difference to..."
Just wanted to say thank you! The Kevlar clutch you recommended makes a big difference to the performance of my car, It hooks up quick but still very drivable.
"... I have to have one of these, and how soon can I get one?"
3000 Miles Later
It’s been 3000 miles, since the completion of the RH conversion, 3000 miles of surprise free miles I might add. The process started about 18 months ago with the need to get another 911 along with the Hot Rod bug.
This project fulfilled both of those needs with sensational results. I purchased a “project car” on e~bay (notice project car is in small letters) with the idea that I could solve any “old Porsche issues” in my shop. While this is true, upon looking over the project with clipboard in hand, the list was becoming increasing longer and more time consuming. With the time issue & my workload fast becoming the limiting factor and I started to ask around to see if anyone had a tub for sale. The next day, with some help from fellow Porsche owners, I was able to locate a tub 3 miles away from my shop. I quickly cut a great deal, and that afternoon it was on the shop floor. Note: this was not a roller…. more of a dragger, nothing but an empty tub. OK, now what?
I started to transfer the useable parts from the now e-bay donor car to the new tub. With this task completed, I needed a motor. Let’s see, 3.0 liters were out there, but from my experience they would all need freshening up to make this a drivable project. Once again the time issue is at hand, and with some luck I find a type 4914 engine. So what the hell - this car needs to be driven. Hence, the type 4 made its way into the space that once was home to a 3.0L.
That aspect is completed, and the car has1000 miles racked up, yet I find the Hot Rod ache is still unsatisfied. An SBC is acquired, freshened up and waiting a new home…this is when Renegade enters the picture. So, a little research on the Internet was started and a quick trip to Vegas results on a check-writing episode to RH. Carrying back some vital parts back on the plane, let me get a “head start” on the new tub. The next week involved cutting and welding the radiator support area and test fitting the engine in the back of the new car. This all goes as expected without any surprises, as I await the shipment from Vegas.
Once the much-awaited boxes start arriving, I tear into them like a six-year-old on Christmas morning, and the process shifts into the next gear. The radiator assembly installs just as simply as advertised and its time to move to the back of the car. Hoses are all connected, wiring gets done. Next on the list were the fuel tank mods, a time consuming part of the conversation, but just as important. This is completed, tested, and proven.
Now to the fun parts! A test fitting of all the parts turned into a one-time install, therefore eliminating further “test” work. Now the endless (seems like it anyway) quest to explore how this thing will sound and much more important how it will GO. I had all the exhaust bends, the Eldbrock 2 in one out muffler and the tig all warmed up, the cutting and pasting, fitting and refitting, rethinking and fitting again, leads to a very sweet two and one haft stainless steel exhaust system that appears to be bone stock until start up.
Well, it’s finally time to fire up the motor. Key ON, fellow Pelican’s are standing by with fire extinguisher in hand, some thinking, “This thing won’t work,” some glancing at the nearest exit, and the faithful lining up for the first ride. A deep breath--- advancing the key to the start position, I learn what it feels like in the bottom of the ninth, with bases loaded, a 3-2 count, and losing by a run.
A half turn from the starter the project springs to life taking on a personality all it’s own. The expression of the gathered onlookers said it all: this thing ROCKS!! With the cooling system burping process completed, it’s time for a quick spin around the block. A one third roadworthy 911 rolls down the drive to its maiden voyage departure point. A check left and right for traffic (translate: Cops), a gentle pressure on the gas, clutch Engaged, and the trip up thru the gears, shows me unlimited possibilities.
I finish removing the air from the cooling system, and its back into the shop to finish the remaining 2/3 of the project, or so I thought, until a To-Do board is hung on the shop wall for all to see - Dam this list is long. Over the next weeks and months the list is whittled down to a manageable level, almost wish list status, but warm weather is for driving not wishing.
It’s now 3500 miles, with winter fast approaching; it’s almost time to re-introduce the car to the warm confines of the shop to complete some of those wish list items. I trust the list will go on and on.
The 911 has been shown in a dozen or so local car shows, with a universal disbelief that: 1. THIS is something you don’t see everyday and 2. How the hell did you do THAT? The crowd around the car at the shows has been overwhelming along with a mass of favorable comments.
A trip around Bucks Country (PA) with a long time Porsche hard-core owner as a passenger resulted in nothing but glowing praise with a local article written by this now converted purist. He wrote that every Porsche owner needs to experience this at least once, and that he, for one, will never again turn his nose up at non-Porsche powered hybrids. His parting question on leaving the shop is, “I have to have one of these, and how soon can I get one?”.
The staff at Renegade was and is first class; from Melba, who answers the phones with all the zeal of someone building a car, to Steve and Scott who provide answers to the host of questions which normally arise from a project like this, all are handled with a genuine concern for the converters and their questions. I’ve decided to convert the front of the 911 to a 993, and have just obtained all the necessary hardware to “make it so”. But that’s for another chapter, so watch this space for the on going saga of this trip. Remember it’s the journey, not the destination, that’s important……………..
"I have the RH heater/defroster and the defroster worked well enough to..."
My Green 914 has hit the road! After a bit of haggling with AAA over "No Smog Test Needed" I received the tags and started tooling. It was pouring down rain so I put on my solid air cleaner cover and gave it a run. Has everyone guessed? My "teener" leaked like crazy through the windows and I built up a fog inside in no time. I have the RH heater/defroster and the defroster worked well enough to continue for awhile and all went well.
Just a few bugs to work out(like the weather stripping) and I bottomed out a fender well that didn't have quite enough clearance, but the smile on my face when I punched it on the freeway is still there 24 hours later.
All the folks who watched me work on this car the last 4 years with a skeptic eye have done nothing but praise the way it turned out...and most all have been real impressed with the professional installation(by Renegade Hybrids) of a V-8 in such a little car. My hats off to all the guys(and gal) at Renegade...and a big thank-you! This car turned out soooo much better than I first envisioned.
The Valentine is on the way... I think I'm gonna need it. Pics real soon.
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Another Note From Jim
I figured I was overdue for an update on my 914-8 (and the support I get from Renegade). I've just returned from a Thursday Track Day at Pahrump(near Las Vegas) and I can't even explain the amount of fun and education on driving I got there. It was a PCA sponsored event to help new owners of all Porsche's better learn how to handle their cars. Scott had been adamant about me making this one....so I did. But just a little lead-up to the event.
My car(Calif. 75') was an in-house conversion, delivered in Dec. 03 and licensed Jan. 2nd, 04. It has a Chevy 350 "Wild Bill" conversion w/Edelbrock Heads(and soon to get roller rockers). It also has the RH radiator, 4 to 5 lug conversion, 911sc brakes, 911sc front suspension, the special RH transmission, and the new parking brake to marry with the brake conversion(works good!). I had Renegade do the full conversion since I wanted the job "DONE RIGHT". What I didn't do(because I kept the HP to around 300+) was put in the heavey-duty axles. MMmmmmmm...uh ohh. Maybe "Wild Bill" squeezed a little more HP outta the Chevy than I anticipated. So, I'm about two days away from making the 300 mile drive to Vegas for the 500 mile RH check-up, when(as I'm giving a friend a "ride") something goes "cha-chunk" as I gassed it a little(Uhhmmmm)...and no more power to the rear....no gears. Whaaah! Did I blow the tranny?
A call to Scott..."We'll come get the car" Oh by the way, Scott had offered to pick up the car in the first place so I wouldn't have to make the drive for the check-up. Scott thought it was next to impossible for me to have trashed the Tranny.... but when Renegade showed up, they took one look and he said axle.
The car comes back, with a few paint touch-ups(another story) from my dings, BTW Renegade arranged for a local paint shop to paint my car while they had it; running strong and looking good after Scott made a side trip to "Wild Bills" because he noticed a little squeek. Bill AND Scott spent the better part of a Wednesday evening/Thursday morning tearing apart the motor to find it. I never heard the squeek, but I can hear my "Sanderson" (EDIT-they are not built by Sanderson.-BJ) headers...and I think they look great in my engine compartment.
At any rate, I made the drive last week, after work to Vegas for the Pahrump Event and to just give "Greeney" a good shake-down ride. Thermostat stayed at just above 180 even after a one hour bumper to bumper out of Barstow, purred all the way there, and the "Valentine" that you folks recommended here prevented a ticket or two.
I ran out to Pahrump with Mike, BJ, and Robert(another customer running there) the next morning for the event and you would have thought I was a Factory Racer for Renegade. Rob and Marna are there....there's scooters for cruising the pits...a BBQ...and lots'a tools, and while I'm in the driver's meeting Rob and BJ are sticking numbers on my car. After my first run on the track...Mike's drilling me about whats wrong(ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!) BJ is checking the oil, Rob's underneath tightening up the CV's and Marna's got a food spread out. I was spoiled.
I highly recommend doing a track day...I learned some of the extremes of the car, and lots of technics, and I'm a better driver for it. I also got a big dose of comfortablity from Renegade Hybrids and Wild Bills Machine Shop in the last coupla' months. There were lots of calls to them on my part for lots of little things I didn't know how to fix...that needed some attention...or just plan needed some answers to, and I always got a friendly reply from both places(Marna knows me by voice). I'm not the best mechanic...and its nice to know I can turn to these folks and get straight answers.
This past week I have put a 1,000 miles on the car, and there have been no bugs. I am so happy with the way this car turned that there is a real bounce in my step. I wanted a 914 I could have fun with...and rely on to work, and this 4-year project turned out so much more than I expected with greater results. The car looks fast, sounds fast, and IS really fast...and it's turned me into a teenager everytime I get in it.
Anyone out there that wants more specifics, has questions...feel free to contact me at firstname.lastname@example.org and I'll be happy to supply my phone number, send pics, answer any questions.
"To all you that are hesitating to put the PorsChev conversion together..."
To all you that are hesitating to put the PorsChev conversion together:
I have been lurking here for a couple of months (probably like most other members, it seems). Now I feel brave enough to come out of the closet!
Last winter, In put together a Renegade kit '67 912 with a ZZ4 crate engine. Never having attempted anything like this, it took all of two months, including time to have an ear operation (1 week), partial lung removal (another two weeks at least), and out-of-state vacation (10 days). Besides it was cold in Northern CA, so I wasn't out in the garage any more than I wanted to be. Sounds like Renegade commercial doesn't it? It's not, just an exclamation.
I realize you 914 folks feel you have ultimate rides, but I've driven my 912 at Sears Point and local autocrosses, and am completely satisfied with the performance (including handling; sorry Beck). Having owned and driven this car for some 34 (anemic) years, and also some other Porsches like a '58 356 Speedster, '85 944 normal and presently my '96 993 C4S, I feel initiated to Porsche driving. I must exclaim that no other driving experience has even come close to putting the SMILE on my face like driving my '67 912 PorsChev does.
My thanks to Scott at Renegade! And, to all you that hesitate beginning your conversion, DON'T! It ain't worth the wait. Like Scott says, he's "only a phone call away", and it works.
Who's around Sacramento, CA? Let's get together. See you at SEMA.
"I am very proud of my association with Renegade..."
I cant tell you how impressed I am with that damned car. It is undoubtedly the sweetest thing I have ever driven on a track. I am really glad that you talked me into going the LS1 route way back when. I am very proud of my association with Renegade. Without your kit, your help and the tech support from Mike, I would not be driving my lil tan rocket. I do not take lightly my responsibility to represent RH in the Cannonball in a manner that is classy and reflects positively on my race team and your business. That may mean skipping the some of the seedier lunch places...( a guy that runs every yr hits a strip joint in each town, hence his first name was prefixed by his new name- Beaver LeFever). I am hoping the car is fast enough to garner a fair amount of magazine and newspaper attention. Still a little concerned on the braking front ( if I had the budget I would probably replace the Wilwoods in the front with Big Reds and move the Wilwoods to the rear). Out of the hole, the car is a MONSTER and I have to learn to drive it around turns without letting the back end come round. I put in a LSD tranny with a Torsen style differential and we are a little less squirrely. I will take tons of pics and am hoping we will show up in a few magazines as well. I wait for the decal as I want it to be the first one on the car.
"I had plans of doing a V8 conversion when the car was purchased but..."
First, I'd like to thank all who have answered my questions during this project. Without this forum and the recently shutdown Porschev site, it would not have happened. Pelicans tech articles have also been a great source of info during this process.
My conversion started about 6 months ago when the 2.0L engine in my '73 started knocking. I had plans of doing a V8 conversion when the car was purchased but wanted to drive the 4 a bit longer while putting the V8 and necessary conversion parts together. The knocking 4 changed my game plan and 3 months of driving the car after a 20 year absence from Porsche's just started to feel good again. I spent months researching V8 conversions and exchanged information from many who have been down this road.
I've put about 1000 miles of local, short trip driving on my car only one problem. CV bolts loosened after about 100 miles but I was warned to watch for this and caught it before causing any damage. Frequent checks of CV bolts have not revealed any reoccurrence of problem.
The installation of conversion kit (Renegade) was very straight forward and went in with no surprised. I sweated potential problems (leaks, overheating, clutch problems, bad handling, starting issues when hot etc.) but have not had a single problem to date other than the CV bolts mentioned earlier. My kit consisted of just about every option available from Renegade and no shortcuts were taken or deviation from their recommendations or instructions. Their radiator/fan setup works flawlessly and comes fully assembled out of the box I also used their high performance CV axles, clutch, rear springs, wiring harness and not yet installed a/c-heater.
Engine was custom built by Wild Bill's in CA.. They were recommended by Renegade and supplied the engine I wanted via a couple of description and how I was going to use this car to build a reliable high performance power plant that would not rip the guts out of a stock 914 transaxle. It had to sound right... a little thump idle but something that would work in a air conditioned car. It also had to have good street manners... not wanting to cut off at stops, in traffic and not a PITA while cruising at slow speed. I has performed flawlessly. Specs. Are 390 HP, aluminum heads, intake, valve covers, oil pan and front cover. 600 holley was bench flowed by Bill and required no adjustments to date. Engine was purchased 100% complete, top to bottom and required no adjustments after starting. I may play with timing a bit in the future to tweak HP just for kicks. Bill has built many engines for Porsche conversions and other light weight V8 converted cars. I pretty much depended on his past experience with respect to parts compatibility. A job well done here and someone I will use again if ever needing to custom build a V8.
Driving impressions: Hard to describe having this much power in a914 but I'll list some of what comes to mind. Prior to conversion, I was running the original 2.0L four that had been rebuilt just 20,000 miles ago that had been switched to 48 dellorts to carbs and stock size European p/cs.
Stock 901 (rebuilt 2 years ago) seems to handle power fine. I just don't use first gear as recommended by the conversion gods. I've avoided burning the tires down on take off but do find it easy to get the stock tires loose if any extra throttle is used taking off from a dead stop. I've never been much on roasting the tires on anything I drive and feel the stock trans. Should work fine as long as it is driven with common sense. Engine RPM (stock gearing) is 3000 at 73 MPH with 165x65x15 tires and it feels like I could use another gear for highway cruising. 90-100 MPH in top gear puts engine at about 4000 RPM. I've seen 135 on one short run down the highway but did not happen to check RPM. I'll reframe from those speeds until installation of 5 lug conversion, new front struts and more rubber in placed on road. (stock wheels/tires are posted 4 sale in classifieds)
I had invisioned a really loud sound to be heard in passenger cabin with a V8 right behind my head. This is not the case. Engine is supplied with headers but uses quiet Dynomax t turbo mufflers. Carrying on a conversion in car while cruising down the highway is basically the same as with the 4 cylinder. I removed the factory bay insulation during stock engine removal as well as rubber passenger mat. I'll not replace the engine bay insulation but might install the rubber piece just to get it out from under my bed. =)
You must pay more attention to your driving with the additional power. Changing lanes while using the extra power requires a recalibration of how fast cars are passed and how quick the distance between you and the car in front of you closes up. On several occasions, I've had to make a pretty sharp steering inputs to avoid making fender contact.
I find it hard to do the posted speed limit on highways. Car seems to really like 70-90 MPH and is really smooth there. Having the extra power, I for some strange reason always want to be the guy leading the pack. Maybe it's because I can. Who knows, but I feel that it will take a ticket or two to change my driving style. Maybe it's because my daily ride weighs in at about 5500 lbs., is underpowered and doesn't make for a good lane changer (spelled for expedition).
I know many out there hate V8's in Porsche's but it is something I have always wanted to do. It has satisfied my itch to have a hot rod engine in a car that really handles. It has been a pleasure to get back in to turning wrenches after a 20 year absence and the 914 is a car I really enjoy working on. I've still got much to do...paint, suspension upgrades, heat-a/c and interior.
Once again, thanks to all that have responded to my pleas for help.
"A sincere thank you for all your help in providing me with all the best..."
Scott and all the team at Renegade Hybrids,
A sincere thank you for all your help in providing me with all the best in regards to my car. My 67 911 has been an ongoing project that brings me joy. Both young and old, dragger and drifter appreciate the car you help me build.
It's all been worth it. A father was walking by and stopped to admire the car, his young son asked him what type of car that was; his dad said that's the type of car you get if you go to school and work hard. My dad told me the same thing at a different car show a long time ago. The Porsche I looked at also had a V-8 conversion in it.
Dads not here with us any more, this car is more a tribute to him.
The other Porsche in the back ground is also mine, the convertible does not get top billing in the Garage at home, that's reserved for the black one.
Si yu' us ma' ase- [ see-juice-ma-ah-see] (That's Chamorro for "Thank you and God Bless")
Johnny R Cruz Jr.
"He just put his tail between his legs and tried to disappear..."
There are two well known cars that won't look at the little 914 the same any longer! First, is the Carerra "S". I often cruise to Newport Beach and see lots of nice cars. One morning, I ran into a Carerra "S" (looked new) and we drove along, goading each other a bit. When we past through a light with at least 3/4 of a mile clear, we were full on. The Carerra had a slight lead (1 car). In a second I made that up, and we were side by side...But when I shifted into 3rd and nailed it, I left him stunned. I shut it down at around 120 where he was still loosing ground. I tried to strike up a conversation but he would just have nothing to do with me. Just real pissed off. He turned off to the right, and the funny thing is, I pulled over to secure a chop saw I had in the trunk area. When I got back on the same road I saw him reenter the road from a side street. He just put his tail between his legs and tried to disappear for a while, HA!
The second, is a Ferrari 550 or 575. I think its a Maranello. Well, we went full-on from 40 to 120 and there was no measurable difference I could see. I had him by 1 car and it stayed that way all the way through. Same stretch of road in Newport Beach, California.
"The car ran perfect, and the drive was awesome! I must..."
I just drove my V8, 914, 930 trans from Irvine Ca. to Everson Washington which covered about 1,250 one way. The car ran perfect, and the drive was awesome! I must have drove the majority of the way at 80 mph and more.
John, Irvine Ca.
"First, I am not affiliated with Renegade Hybrids in any manner..."
Scott from Renegade here! I was contacted by one of my customers recently who was not pleased with the article "Is Eight Enough" in the October 2007 edition of Excellence Magazine. He took it upon himself to fire off a letter to the editor of Excellence and was pleasantly surprised to find that "they" will be publishing his comments as an Editorial in the next edition. He forwarded me the "thread" of e-mails for my review, and I too, was impressed with the way they handled this situation.
To read his letter to Excellence (and it worth the read), please click here. (PDF file)
"I am very happy to report that my 996 cabriolet passed the 50,000 mile mark ..."
I am very happy to report that my 996 cabriolet passed the 50,000 mile mark since delivery by Scott on November 2012 the first week of June! That is 50,000 miles I have put on the car since he delivered it!
After completing the mechanical on the car Scott delivered it to us here in Las Cruces New Mexico. The car has been all over the west and as far east as Dallas Texas.
Below the day Scott delivered, with my youngest son, who was also with me on the day we passed the 50,000 miles of running... The day it reach the 50,000 mark, Our highest temperature in route running 80 and 90 miles an hour was 119°.
I did remember to take a picture of the outside air temperature but it had cooled to 116° we were near Palm Springs on the way to Long Beach.
The car has been a joy especially late at night or the middle of the night with the top down and the stars above!
There is no end to the number of little tuner cars, Audi sedans, yuppies in BMWs and Corvettes that constantly want to run! And I have put most of them away when I am reasonably assured there are no police nearby. Fortunately no speeding ticket in four years. (Mine is the LS three with the high performance cam putting out a little bit under 500 hp.)
Scott even helped me do the aesthetics on the car traveling to San Diego to talk to several different custom outfits:
The car has been through many exterior transformations including but not limited to the pictures below:
It started like this!
And then these different looks:
Oil change day in front of the house:
I don't need no stinking Porsche dealership! Anyway, the car has been a joy I look forward to 50,000 more miles and maybe someday in the not-too-distant future I can do a hardtop too!
"The Rod Simpson radiator that I had is a total waste of Aluminum..."
All is now well in Utah with the 914! The cooling system you have is great!! We are now running 170-180 F. and it is great! The Rod Simpson radiator that I had is a total waste of Aluminum! It would be better to use it as a recyclable material later to be used for soda cans! And now you want to talk about quickness! This Porsche beat the shit out of my Corvette. Wow it is awesome! Just want to say thanks again for your input and if you ever get up to Salt Lake City (don't know why you would the beer sucks) Look me up!
Randy Will - Draper, UT
"I live in a heavily populated "Hot Rod" area..."
We are finally finishing our conversion (911 V-8) we took it out last night on the street (after countless burnouts in our test parking lot) 1st and 2nd gear are pretty much a waste of time but 3rd 4th MY GOD!!! it's a rocket!! a lot of tinkering to do, but well worth it!
I live in a heavily populated "Hot Rod" area and every Sat. nite the gather at a local parking lot,we pull in in a lowered black 911 and it rumbles like a Chevelle, we pop the deck lid exposing our "350" and were swarmed by these 100+ hotrodders! "where, how, who..." we gladdly mentioned your name and your kits that you provide and these guys were blown away! Thanks guys!!
"Thanks again for all of the help on the 914 seats..."
Thanks again for all of the help on the 914 seats... Here is the car they are going into!
"The kits' engineering and quality certainly proved itself with..."
Sorry for the delayed response, but business has occupied all my time since returning from the HRPT (Hot Rod Power Tour) . Needless to say, my son and I had a great time. We got the car back together, with your very appreciated help, and made the Nashville show on Friday. On Saturday am we all met at a Wal-Mart near I-40 west and proceeded toward Memphis. We were in the first group of cars after the 50 or so Corvettes that led the way. About 60 miles from Nashville, we passed the Hot Rod TV camera car. Christopher and I waved and got thumbs up from them. The next exit we had to get off for gas and they followed us. They set up on the overpass to film the passing cars, so we gave them a real show. After a few smokey,high speed passes we waved again and returned to the Interstate. I'd estimate that they got around 45 to 60 seconds of tape. I don't think they'd ever seen a 944 with a little horsepower! A little while later we stopped at a rest area and met up with the GM guys driving Chev's new hot rod pick-up to be on sale this fall. They asked alot of questions and I gave them a few of your cards. Then the Hot Rod TV camera truck showed up again and took some more shots of all the cars at the rest stop, ours included. At the lunch stop I met Billy Graham. No, not the Billy Graham, but of BillyGrahamCameros.com. The said he knew you and had some association with the original Renegade Hybrids in California. The Memphis cruise night was fantastic and we ended up at the "Rendevous" restraunt for a meal of dry ribs. Sunday, we were off to Jackson, Miss. We made the trip, but the weather was about to turn bad, so after saying goodbye to our new friends, Christopher and I returned to Nashville, arriving late that night. The car never missed a beat over the entire trip of around 750 miles. Never overheated, no exhaust leaks...just great. And I got 22mpg, cruising at 75-80 mph, with an occaisional blast into the 140-150 mph range, just to show off! I'll be down loading some pics in the next day or so, and will send some, probably without text to save space. I also have some cool video. I'll also be sending you a HRPT 2003 windshield banner and some other tour trinkets collected along the way. Talked with John Forbes yesterday. Said he's converted 9 cars now and we're talking about having a reunion in late June or early July for all the cars in Del Ray Beach. If it comes together, I'll probably trailer my car and attend. Again, cannot express how much we appreciate your help and support. Knowing that you were standing behind us in case of a problem certainly took a load off my mine. The kits' engineering and quality certainly proved itself with the zero problems trip. I don't think I would hesitate to drive all the way to Vegas (if my insurance mileage limit would allow it!)
Another Note From Scott
0-60 in the 3's???
Hello Scott..... It was clear weather this weekend in Nashville, cool, around 50, but no rain. So I went for a little drive in my 944. Found a clear section of road, so made one run with my Beltronics XF-1 Accelerometer. Check out the attached pics. This was without abusing the drivetrain and granny shifting the tranny. Cannot wait to get the new hedders installed. Maybe with them and some newer tires and warmer weather, the car might dip into the 3's! I'm sure you have 944's that run that fast, don't you??
"I ran a best time of 13.55 seconds at 109.7 miles per hour. Unfortunately..."
The standing quarter mile is and always has been used as a bench mark for how fast one's car goes. It's what you see when you flip thru the pages of the magazines at your grocery store and also what we receive from the factory when a new car debuts.
O.K., having said that, my car is an '87 951 (944 turbo) that has a fresh rebuild (1600 miles) with the following mods to the Porsche power plant. A Huntley stage IV MAF, ball bearing Garret stage II turbo, K&N filter, Arc II fuel management computer, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, Apex I boost computer, cat bypass pipe and free flowing muffler. This car has 17" cup wheels with brand new 255/40's on the rear.
Having made several runs at 1.2 bar (one of which detonated the CV axle!) using my G-Tech meter, I ran a best time of 13.55 seconds at 109.7 miles per hour. Unfortunately, for me, my brother (and arch rival!) ran a 12.69 at 119.0 MPH in his Dough Ripple modified 1990 Corvette ZR-1. In don't think I could explain how this took the wind out of my sails, but going down to his Vette was a hard pill to swallow.
Don't get me wrong, I have a very fast car and it is a blast to drive and I will always enjoy it. But having spent over $11,000 in engine rebuilds and upgrades, I have realized that my car is a four cylinder, and his is an eight.
Sorry for the long post
"It concerns cooling issues primarily my experiences with..."
This is a lengthy post. It concerns cooling issues primarily my experiences with both Renegades and Simpsons cooling set up. If you are not interested in this topic save yourself some time and delete it without reading it.
By both systems I do mean that I have done both Rod Simpson and also Renegade complete cooling systems. Bottom line is that I could not get my car to run close to being cool with the Simpson set up and switched the entire system from the radiator to the pump and everything in between over to the Renegade set up. Car now runs cool and has never overheated.
I first became interested in doing a conversion way back in the 80's when I received in the mail my monthly subscription to VW Porsche magazine and the 194 April cover story was an a pair of 500 HP canyon racers which featured a converted 911 and a converted 914. i originally ended up buying a 1973 914 to do the project on but by the time I go around to starting the project I had driven the 914 for so many years I opted for a 911, sold the 914 and bought a 1977 911S Targa. When I originally started my project in around 1996 I purchased the Rod simpson kit which is serving its purpose OK. His radiator and cooling setup as I mentioned I could not get to cool the car adequately. First time around had MAJOR overheating issues and kind of put the project on the back burning for lack of interest and not wanting to deal with the cooling issue amongst other things going on . The project sat for a year or two when I tried again to make it work. The first thing I noticed was that I had a major kink in one of the lines going through the rocker panel. Seems that when I put the rocker panel back on it compressed one of the hoses and it was doubtful I was getting much water flow. Repaired that and tried again. Same thing had over heating issues. Checked out the water pump and just about everything else and then decided to run the lines under the car instead of through the side rocker panel. That actually helped but not near enough to run the car for any extended period of time without it boiling over again. After spending all the time cutting out the front fender wells to exhaust the hot air from the radiator and making it look all pretty I really did not want to go with a Renegade style system that does not require the fender wells to be cut out, I really wanted to get my Simpson cooling system to work. I had a few knowledgeable friends help me out and give me their opinion and tips as to what else to try, but had no luck.
I let the car sit for another year or so and talked to Scott at Renegade. He gave me some things to try and some other tips to look for. He also told me that his system would keep my car running cool if I followed his installation instructions. I was not looking to spend the bucks on a complete system so I decide to make small changes. The first thing I did was pull the Simpson water pump and replace it with the renegade water pump which helped but not enough. I then installed their remote filler neck and threw on an over flow tank. That also helped because I think I was able to get air out of the system easier. At this point I could run the car but as soon as I put any throttle on the engine I would boil over and have to stop. It was this point where I decided I was going to change out the radiator. I almost bought my own aluminum radiator to save some bucks but the last thing I wanted to see happen was it not work either, so I purchased the Renegade radiator and changed all the hose to their larger sized hoses and ran these under the car as well. After installing their radiator with fellow board member Terry and installing the aluminum shrouding I gave it a try. First time out after burping all the air out the car the car ran at 220 tops. A big improvement but not what I was expecting. Scott @ Renegade suggested a few things and I found one of the two fans on the rear side of the radiator was spinning in reverse. After taking care of that I gave it another try. 210 tops and never went over. Average running temp was around 200 degrees. Now that I could live with since I was now driving and enjoying the car. Since that time I have made other changes that have brought my running temperature down even further to 180 degrees with spike high of 195 and a spike low of 175. Changes have included re jetting the carb, changing from cast iron exhaust manifolds to headers and redoing the exhaust from a single outlet to a duel outlet. Adjusting the timing with an actual mark not by ear etc.
It's too bad that I sucked in a piece of metal through the carb and the result was a cracked cylinder wall on my 327 engine. Have no idea where it came from. It is a piece of steel about the size of a 1 inch long roll pin. I am running a 750 Rochester Q-Jet. Anyone familiar with this carb and know if they contain a piece of metal similar to the one I described?? I looked at the carb and it appears to be missing nothing.
I will close the story of my life history by saying the following:
1. Would a radiator I purchased on my own have worked? I do not know but now that I have a car I can drive (as soon as I repair or replace the engine)I do not care either.
2. Did I do everything possible to my car to get the Rod simpson cooling system to work? I think I did.
3. Am I a happy camper for having gone with the Renegade system? I think I am.
4. Am I sleeping with Scott from Renegade? Not that I can recall!
5. In the past I have posted to numerous sites concerning other conversions running the Rod simpson cooling system, who was and how it was working. If i recall I only received one response. Can not tell you how many other people have had similar experiences with the Simpson set up and on the other hand I can not tell you how many others have had successful experiences. Bottom line is that I did not. I have talked to others recently that are starting their projects with the Simpson kit and my words of advice have been the kit itself works but watch out on the cooling system. I really hope that the few people I have talked to recently have better results then I did and I am anxious to hear their results.
6. Steve L. If I can provide more detail on anything I wrote about let me know. I have many epics as well and will post a pic of the two radiators standing side by side for a comparison later today. If I do not have a pic you are looking for I can take one.
7. I now own a very expensive aluminum oil cooler that use to be my radiator. It sells for almost $700.00 7 years or so ago. If anyone is interested in purchasing it let me know. My fingers hurt!!!
- Steve P.
"Thought you might be interested in a few pics from our..."
Thought you might be interested in a few pics from our second track day of testing. There are still a number of things to do, both in chassis tuning and aesthetically, but it's great to see it running solid and beginning to look very good.
I'll keep you updated as we develop the car more. We have every reason to believe that we'll make the Western Endurance Racing Championship Series 3 hour night enduro at Buttonwillow April 10.
Thanks for all of your support up until now. When we get it looking in magazine/catalog quality, I'll be sure to send some better pics.
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"I could go down and witness the company first hand..."
Well since I'm lucky enough to live here in Las Vegas...cough.. I could go down and witness the company first hand. So anyway went down to the facility here and arrived to a Signal Orange 914.. Didn't look any different just noticed the license plate ring said "Body by Porsche, BALLS By Chevy". Walked in and met the guys, all seemed great and knew what they were doing.. Talked to the owner off the 914.. Got some ideas. Anyway so I asked for a ride after 20 minutes of talking and anticipation. So we get into the car and he starts it up... The Chevy comes to life with the low burble they have as this was equipped a little better than a normal 350.. He said 460 HP. And also this car revved freely to 7K. So anyway he drove slow and let it warm up.. The bam he got on it.. umm there isn't a word to describe how it felt as you could just hear the engine roar and keep roaring not the 4500 RPM shift thing. So he took it 7K and bam another gear.. we were going 100 in what felt like the maybe 7-8 seconds... crazy fast.. So were going and I'm just watching how twitchy the car is around corners. Seems that it isn't at all and can be totally controllable with minor gas but then throw a foot into it and a huge 50 yd drift comes. He drove it as a rally car but on street. Every time a corner was coming up I was ready for it but seemed as though no way a car could slow down in time.. His SC brakes brought it down to a halt. RRRRRMMMMMMM back on the gas and there we went again.. It was maybe a 6 minute ride but felt like 30 seconds.. He slides into the shop parking sideways, turns the key off and looks at me with my ear to ear grin. "ANY QUESTIONS", I said "Ummmmmm nope". So any of you who aren't as lucky as me to get to experience this I'm sorry but it was simply amazing.. Now looking for a rust free 914, outside doesn't matter but will run. So my future is wrote now.. Buy 914, Totally fix up and slam a Chevy 350 in it.. I'm hooked and most others would be too... So not over exciting post for others but still am smiling 1 hour later.. WOOOWWWWW
StuttgarNut (Forum Member)
"I have been driving my 944+LT1 for little more than 7,000 miles and..."
I hope you guys are busy with your operations. It has been for few months since I exchanged the e-mails with you guys. I have been driving my 944+LT1 for little more than 7,000 miles and it is running fine.
Here are few photos of my 944. As you can see from the photos, I removed the flip up headlights and its supporting system and installed home made static head lights(this was my first fiberglass project). This freed up little more space from removing the headlight flip up drive mechanism.
Let me know your latest projects when you have a chance.
Taka - CA
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"I've had a few problems with the installation of the 930 trans..."
I'm writing this letter to let you know how much you and all the people involved in this project have helped me. As you all are well aware, I've had a few problems with the installation of the 930 trans. After the purchase of the 930 kit through third party (prior my me knowing of Renegade). You, Mike, Bobby, and a crew of others helped me to the extreme of late nights and weekends with out reward. With all the phone calls, e-mails and conversations I've found a company that is trust worth in a market that otherwise has a not so great reputation. I can't thank all of you enough for the help and encouragement in this project. Without your help I couldn't have finished this project and felt like it was the best I can do.
"I had previously tried 2 different setups with bad results..."
Just a quick thanks for the radiator setup, another satisfied customer. I had previously tried 2 different setups with bad results. Now I can finally drive further then the corner store. I even drove on the highway which I was never able to get to without over heating. Great cooling setup! I added a couple of links of my setup.
"I have been building hot cars for 20 years and have never..."
Thanks for the help with my clutch issues over the last week. I have been building hot cars for 20 years and have never had the service I get from Renegade. I hope the people on the list understand how committed you and Mike are to your business and customers. Through working together, I am confident that Renegade's 944 V8 kit is totally engineered and track tested. I have tracked my car against several Porsches (996, 993, 964T, 930, 944T, etc.) all which are heavily modified and much more expensive than my car. I am trying to be modest here, but my car KICKS ASS for a lot less $$$$$. Hope to see you at a race track soon.
P.S. There is a guy in Alabama with a turbo Supra, looking in the HKS catalog for more parts so he can try again to outrun a V8 951. That's all I am going to say.
"I was especially impressed with the level of craftsmanship..."
Thanks for slipping me in, on short notice, for a shop tour on July 3rd. I really appreciate the time you took answering my questions and sharing some of your current projects with me. I know you were trying to wrap things up to get everybody out for the long weekend. Lisa did a great job of balancing the demands of the phone, preparing the day's packages for shipment, and keeping me hydrated in the 100 degree Las Vegas afternoon.
I was especially impressed with the level of craftsmanship shown on the customer 914's you have in process. While being slightly different in treatment, the work completed so far looked to be extremely well thought out and executed. Your designs make it easy for the do-it-yourselfer to get similar results, if we do the proper preparation and planning. The attention to detail on your in dash heater/AC system modification appears to be approaching "show car" quality. Bravo!
I'm looking forward to working with you on my '73 914 project. I just hope you will be able to maintain your existing levels of service/support when you're flooded with business after the current P-car purists begin switching to Chevy power when Porsche offers a V8 in the future 911!